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Now if any one here here read the SEG, you should know that it was said that SSJ is 50x base, SSJ2 is 2x SSJ and SSJ3 is 4x SSJ2. Now since it's been a long time since the series has been released, many people, including me, do not buy this. There are others who say that since it's next to the manga, it should be considered. To anyone who thinks such, I have a theory, based completely on manga facts, that explain why the multiplier is not fixed
First off, let us stat at the basics. There was never a single moment in the manga that hints at a constant increase. Nowhere. I'm sure a constant multiplier would be noticed, just like the Oozaru transformation was stated at 10x. For all we know, it increases the power a lot. Many people think "Why cannot this multiplier be the same?". Simple. Take a look at Majin Vegeta against Fat Buu. He exploded by letting off too much ki. Piccolo's quote clearly proves this beyond a doubt. So, a body can only let off a certain amount of ki. Meaning, your body has a limit. The only way this limit has been shown to be surpassed is when all that energy is concentrated... in the form of a very powerful ki attack. Other than that? No. So let's see what happens if the multiplier is constant
Goku : 50
Goku (SSJ) : 2,500
Now, after an yer of training
Goku : 100
Goku (SSJ) [50x multiplier] : 5,000
For a rise of 50 in base, the rise in SSJ is 2,500
Now people might argue saying that if he was able to double his power in base, he should be able to double his power in SSJ. That's where the limits come in. It's not just about doubling. Imagine yourself with a dollar. If you doubled it each day, you'll be a millionaire within a month. But is it possible? No. Doubling a dollar is easy. You could probably find a dollar on the street. But doubling 500,000 in one day? Just try it.
Goku's body is in no way built to take that much power. Hence why I believe that his body(It's his body, and the SSJ is a characteristic property of the saiyans. The saiyan body should work accordingly) adjust the power out put, keeping it at a safe maximum.
SSJ4Aaron
07-31-2009, 03:29 AM
Besides there are many points within the anime that shows that the multiplier is not correct. The Cell Saga contradicts the multiplier big time.
The example you used wasnt the greatest because I'm sure there are some people who double there income everyday for a certain period of time.
That is best left to another theory. I'm working on it as you speak. Not reached the final stages yet but...
SSJ4Aaron
07-31-2009, 03:40 AM
Glad to hear. The Cell era really screwed those up and I would be glad to hear your take on it. No need to make a new thread though.
Well, since I want opinions, I need new threads. It might take up space, but it's the only way.
SSJ4Aaron
07-31-2009, 04:07 AM
Then please do so in the manga section. We have more space in there and I will be moving this thread there as well. Just advertise the thread through PM to get more opinions.
Just delete this one. There is one there already, but I posted it here cause no one comments there.
SSJ4Aaron
07-31-2009, 04:25 AM
Next time please just ask me to move it. I have no problem doing that. I will move this thread for now until further notice.
Alright. But I have a few things I'd like to discuss.
The Nazi
08-02-2009, 01:17 AM
The only way the Cell saga contradicts the multiplier is if you don't give Gohan a rage boost for Super Saiyan 2.
Shineman
08-02-2009, 02:20 AM
Wait, didn't Daizenshuu stated that each transformation (Ssj, Ssj2, Ssj3) is 50x each?
Hell no. Only thing ever said about the multipliers is that SSJ is 50x base, SSJ2 is 4x and SSJ3 is 2x. Also Vegeta, nothing in the manga says that Gohan has a rage boost against Cell. It's nothing but an excuse people make up to make sense of the SEG multipliers. I don't even believe in them so...
The Nazi
08-02-2009, 11:25 AM
Well, I'm not up to debating that, and I don't believe in the SEG multipliers, so have it!
Neither do I. And I still believe that Gohan was not raging. So, yeah. Do you want to know why I believe so anyways?
Simple. Remember the times Gohan went berserk? This is part of my theory add on so read carefully
Gohan, when he got a rage boost the first time, was not able to recall what happened. Same case the second time. Then against Vegeta and Frieza, he remembers them. Here, his rage boost is reduced to only when his friends are in trouble, and not when he himself is in danger. He seemed to give up when Nappa was about to kill him. IN other words, the chances of him getting one are reducing. Then, against Cell, he had good control over his feelings. He did not want to kill Cell cause it did not seem right. He only got angry for a short while and then, whoosh, he was an SSJ2. As an SSJ2, he was not pissed. Instead, he wanted to make Cell suffer, A change in personality cause his friend was killed. Where have we seen this before? Oh yeah. We have seen it once. Only once. When Goku went SSJ. Have we seen it any time else? Nope. Definitely not in the case of Gohan at least, for sure.
Now there are two more things I want to make clear
People out there say that Gohan was not raging against Cell, but since he was raging during the transformation, he had a higher multiplier. Freakin makes no sense. I mean, he gets the boost when he's raging. It doesn't extend to the time period after he's done raging
Goku said Gohan should get angry like he did against Cell(When Gohan was fighting Dabura). Now why did Goku specify Cell?
Goku (Cell Games) : Get angry Gohan
Goku (Babidi pod) : Get angry like against Cell Gohan.
Sorry for the long post, but these are theories. And these are as short as I can make them.
The Nazi
08-11-2009, 01:46 AM
Well, the Daiz says Gohan isn't as strong in Super Saiyan 2 because of his rage, bro.
SSJ4Aaron
08-11-2009, 01:58 AM
Use your theories but the DBZ inc. is much more accurate. I will try and find the page.
The Nazi
08-11-2009, 03:09 AM
DBZ inc.? You mean the Daiz and such?
SSJ4Aaron
08-11-2009, 03:14 AM
Ya, I just wanted to give a def incase u didnt know
Well, the Daiz says Gohan isn't as strong in Super Saiyan 2 because of his rage, bro.
The Manga says otherwise bro. Only time I recall Goku asking Gohan to get angry was when he was in SSJ. I think maybe that power absorption process took it's toll on his SSJ2...
The Nazi
08-11-2009, 04:07 AM
The Manga says otherwise bro. Only time I recall Goku asking Gohan to get angry was when he was in SSJ. I think maybe that power absorption process took it's toll on his SSJ2...
You mean his little speech to Gohan before they went after Babidi and Dabura?
Yeah, he mentions Gohan should get enraged because an enraged Gohan is supposedly stronger than SSj2 Goku.
Nope. Nothing points to that. Nothing in the manga. Infact, the diaz's reasoning is wrong, so I don't go through with the whole thing. Gohan was weaker cause he slacked off, not because he was not angry.
The Nazi
08-11-2009, 04:32 AM
Nope. Nothing points to that. Nothing in the manga. Infact, the diaz's reasoning is wrong, so I don't go through with the whole thing. Gohan was weaker cause he slacked off, not because he was not angry.
But nothing in the manga points to Gohan growing weaker, just him not being as powerful as before.
Gohan makes a statement that he became weaker due to not training. Also, Vegeta say the same thing and Gohan does not deny it.
The Nazi
08-11-2009, 04:53 AM
Gohan makes a statement that he became weaker due to not training. Also, Vegeta say the same thing and Gohan does not deny it.
Where are those quotes? I'm not denying, just wondering.
SSJ4Aaron
08-11-2009, 04:59 AM
Its in volume 22. He says this when Gohan's fighting Dabra.
Vegeta: He was tougher when he was a kid.
Goku: He sure has slacked off.
The Nazi
08-11-2009, 05:01 AM
Its in volume 22. He says this when Gohan's fighting Dabra.
Vegeta: He was tougher when he was a kid.
Goku: He sure has slacked off.
But I could also twist that around and say they just mean his fighting skills.;)
You could, but that would contradict what you said in the other thread about the saga being straight forward.
The Nazi
08-11-2009, 05:09 AM
You could, but that would contradict what you said in the other thread about the saga being straight forward.
Yeah, I was just saying. If I wanted, I could twist it around like a lot of people do.
SSJ4Aaron
08-11-2009, 05:10 AM
You would just be going against yourself. Lol so lets not.
In any case, weaker and experience is different
If he was less in power he would be weaker. If his fighting skill are low, he would have less experience.
SSJ4Aaron
08-20-2009, 02:42 PM
Either way he has disapproved in certain ways. And these ways show that Gohan was not as good in some way when he was a teenager.
Vegeta was more powerful then Gohan in his Majin Form.
Majin is overkill. The way Vegeta spits out Cell Games Gohan's name is proof of that. And also, why do you call him Teen Gohan? He's 9 years old back then.
The Nazi
08-24-2009, 05:08 AM
True, Gohan was still a kid during the Cell Games. He's only 17 during the Boo saga, so that's when he's technically a teen.
SSJ4Aaron
08-27-2009, 01:12 AM
I thought he was 11? Thats what Piccolo says.
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