What real life humans...

[Jonoridge]

What real life humans would have a high power level if power levels were real? would anyone real life human have a decent power level...

judging that a normal human has a power level of 5

if you reckon their would be some name them and give me what you think would be their power level

i know it's a silly idea but it could be quite fun haha


The obvious ones for me would be people like Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris people like that....


I'm only guessing but Bruce Lee was outstanding in terms of fighting and the things he could do i'd say he'd have a power level of around 50 what do you think?

That's like just over a third of what Master Roshi's powerlevel is or would he be stronger?


Dunno anyone else wanna throw names into a hat? Muhammad Ali in his prime perhaps i really don't know haha

[Sleeping Darkness]

umm well lets say the strongest man on earth has around 100 or so that makes him very powerfull

[SSJ4Aaron]

100. Well at the beggining of DBZ Krillen's powerlevel is way above 100. And he outclasses any regular human. Strongest Under The Heavens fighters are powerful. I would place them no stronger then 100. In Dragon Ball of course. DBZ fighters seem weaker, maybe just because everyones stronger.

[Jonoridge]

Nooooooooo you guys are misinterpretating what i was asking...


i wasn't asking you to compare Characters from the show to humans... i was asking what REAL LIFE people who you know of for an example Bruce Lee and blah blah what you think their power levels would be...

So for example Bruce Lee... maybe close to 70? stuff like that...

[Sleeping Darkness]

bruce lee has around 150 he is stronger than a normal human and he passed the limits of a human and he probbably able to beat lots of pepole ill show you something
human-5
BL-150
human with sword-15
BL with sword-160
human with an axe-30
BL with an axe-180
finnaly human with gun-50
BL with gun-200
so this is the difrrence using wepons

[Jonoridge]

Yeah i'd say that i mean some of the things he could do was unreal...

I don't know about other people... Muhammad Ali in his prime would be around 50 because of his speed on his feet and his punches... Chuck Norris prime your talking about 70?

it's hard to judge

I think maybe if you judge it on if a guy can beat two average blokes at 5 power level then his power level must be 10 because 5+5 = 10

I'm guessing UFC cage fighters would all have high power levels aswell as boxers...

Body builders would have a similar "style" of a power level to Trunks when he went hench probably quite high but not very fast so theirs no point haha

can anyone throw some names in the hat of people and what their power level might be?

any real life people from any era :)

[SSJ4Aaron]

No human alive is anywhere near 100. This is because there is no fighters like the ones even in Dragon ball. There is no human that could beat Nam. Just watch one fight from Dragon Ball. Goku at the very beggining is stronger then anyone alive. As soon as he learns the kamehamehha and gets the power pole he is unstoppable to any human alive. He can take bullets.

[Jonoridge]

No human alive is anywhere near 100. This is because there is no fighters like the ones even in Dragon ball. There is no human that could beat Nam. Just watch one fight from Dragon Ball. Goku at the very beggining is stronger then anyone alive. As soon as he learns the kamehamehha and gets the power pole he is unstoppable to any human alive. He can take bullets.

Bruce Lee's dead :p so yeah your almost right... and you should watch some of the stuff he did man he was amazing... he's amazing... and i don't mean his films i mean some of the martial arts stuff... Goku at the start of Dragonball wasn't that strong... he broke boulders and stuff but things like bats on the head and that cause massive bumps on his head and tears to his eyes... he wasn't that strong...

[SSJ4Aaron]

Goku took a bullet as a kid. What human can do that?

[Silent Assassin.]

Goku took a bullet as a kid. What human can do that?

What do you mean took a bullet. I know a few humans who can get shot and bleed and feel some pain but not fall on the ground going

"OH MY F*KIN GOODDDDDDDDD IT HURTS"

If the farmer with the shotgun was 5..and he is fat and stuff I think that a man (18+) is around 5-13 or something like that. Bruce Lee maybe would be around between 20 - 40....around there somewhere...

[Sleeping Darkness]

goku did take a bullet buy he was like a bit stronger than normal he had around 150 at the time he left his house and around at the raditz saga he had like 1000 or so
but no human can take it also he was an anime char O.o
anyway a person about 150 can take a bullet but we never saw that yet now did we

[Jonoridge]

goku did take a bullet buy he was like a bit stronger than normal he had around 150 at the time he left his house and around at the raditz saga he had like 1000 or so
but no human can take it also he was an anime char O.o
anyway a person about 150 can take a bullet but we never saw that yet now did we

LOL the power levels there are way off haha...

it's fact Master Roshi's is 139 i can show you episode if you'd like...

and Goku lost in the final of his first world tournament against Roshi so his power level was below 139... also he trained before entering the tournament so his power level would be lucky to be 100 when he left his house...

saying it was 1000 when he fought Raditz is stupid aswell considering Raditz does a power level reading on Goku and it's 330 or something like that... lol


And Aaron hasn't 50 Cent been shot like 3 times and he's still alive :p

[SSJ4Aaron]

50 Cent was shot several times but it still hurt him alot. Goku was hardly fazed by it. There is a huge difference.

[Jonoridge]

i can remember him getting shot... just when did he get shot? i'm rewatching the anime of dragonball and i'm on episode 12 i haven't seen that happen yet...

[SSJ4Aaron]

General Blue shoots him.

[Jonoridge]

Oh yeah fair enough... but that is after he's gone through serious training i thought it was near the start... when he's had relatively little he's not that strong i watched on about episode 4 when he meets oolong one of the villagers attacks him with a bat thinking goku is oolong and Goku is in great pain rolling around...

besides Goku's power level against general blue is probably around 140? so me saying Bruce Lee is around 50... your right their is a major different one could withstand bullets the other can't but you say that as though i'm saying Bruce Lee's power level is 140 :p

[SSJ4Aaron]

I wouldn't even put Bruce Lee at 50. You do know that (Diaz) the powerlevels are determined through every aspect of your fighting. Speed, strength, endurance, etc.

So not only does Bruce Lee have to be 1/3 as strong as Goku but he also has to be 1/3 durable, speed wise, power. Everything.

[Jonoridge]

So hold on what do you believe Goku (when he first left his grandpa's house with Bulma) his power level to be around?

(being honest it's not going to be 100 unless you assume Yamcha's is aswell with no training...)

i just want to hear what you reckon it is before i make my next point...

[SSJ4Aaron]

I wasn't talking about Goku being that strong after he left his house. I meant him in the General Blue Saga when he took the bullet. After Master Roshi's training.

But yes I would place Goku at around 60 after he left his grandpa's house.

[Jonoridge]

60 fair enough, the only reason i asked this was because i was trying to evaluate Bruce Lee's would be power level by looking at Goku when he first left his grandpa's house...

Goku didn't take a bullet until the general blue saga when he had received training from Master Roshi so it's unclear whether he could take a bullet when his power level is 60...

Also i'm rewatching the series and in episode 4 or 3 when he meets Oolong Goku gets hit on the head with a bat which causes him to be in great pain... so a bat can cause pain to Goku who's power level (that we've agreed on) is 60

so you could still argue that Bruce Lee's power level could be around 50 as he has no need to be able to survive a bullet as Goku hadn't at that time and a bat strike to the head who knows if he would stay concious or not...

[Sleeping Darkness]

bruce lee would probbably be around the 45 since a bat in his head as strong as goku took would probbably make him uncounsious as a result he is strong but not strong enough to be goku when he left his hosue

[Jonoridge]

hmmm however it would be better to assume his power level is between 30-60 as we have no way of knowing if the bat would knock him out or even if he could block it... he was known for being able to break thick planks of wood and stuff... he could of snapped the bat for all we know :p

if we could think of other examples to try and come to a closer conclusion...

we shouldn't really assume he'd be knocked out you feel me? erm... You could argue that Goku's speed surely was unhuman but Bruce Lee too was renowned for his speed, so much that instead of special effects in films where they speed up clips to make it look unreal they had to slow down clips with bruce lee in so the punches could be caught of film...

Bruce Lee also created the 1 inch punch when he could send a 200 pound man flying back with a punch...

[Sleeping Darkness]

wow if thats that than i say around goku's strength when he left the house fits bruce lee
and mostly bruce lee is a master of martial arts for that he must be pretty much 60 or 65

[Jonoridge]

try youtubing Bruce Lee punch and watch it :) or have a look on wikipedia at Bruce Lee's article...
these are some trivia's about him from wikipedia...

Lee's striking speed from three feet with his hands down by his side reached five hundredths of a second.

Lee's combat movements were at times too fast to be captured on film for clear slow motion replay using the traditional 24 frames per second of that era, so many scenes were shot in 32 frames per second for better clarity.

In a speed demonstration, Lee could snatch a dime off a person's open palm before they could close it, and leave a penny behind.

Lee would hold an elevated v-sit position for 30 minutes or longer.

Lee could throw grains of rice up into the air and then catch them in mid-flight using chopsticks.

Lee could thrust his fingers through unopened cans of Coca-Cola. (This was when soft drinks cans were made of steel much thicker than today's aluminum cans).

Lee performed one-hand push-ups using only the thumb and index finger.

Lee performed 50 reps of one-arm chin-ups.

Lee could break wooden boards 6 inches (15 cm) thick.

Lee could cause a 200-lb (90.72 kg) bag to fly towards and thump the ceiling with a sidekick.

Lee performed a sidekick while training with James Coburn and broke a 150 lb (68 kg) punching bag.

In a move that has been dubbed "Dragon Flag", Lee could perform leg lifts with only his shoulder blades resting on the edge of a bench and suspend his legs and torso horizontal midair.

[SSJ4Aaron]

I am sure Gokus power was suppresed when the bat hit him.

[Jonoridge]

I am sure Gokus power was suppresed

can you prove it? or use an example of how you know this?

[Sleeping Darkness]

theres no actuall proof it was suppresed though mostly its sure he was holding back cuz we know he was fighting roshi in the tournement(when roshi was jecky chan XD)
and lost to him after a really bad fight he turned monkey he fought roshi and got beaten thats how it was so mostly this is a little proof it was suppresed

[SSJ4Aaron]

Goku was obviously not at full power as a kid when he took the bat to the head.

When fighting Yamcha, Goku was hit by Yamcha which sent him through 4 stone structures. All of it fell on him. Goku did nothing but stand up and walk over to Yamcha looking furious.

A bat to the head is much less painless then being hit through four stone sturctures and having them fall on you.

[Sleeping Darkness]

well you cant agree that a sayian skin is made of steel XD
anyway trully you cant compare goku to any living human since he is a sayian and when he was just 12 he was stronger than most humans

[SSJ4Aaron]

Then why do you bother trying to say Bruce Lee has a power level as strong as Goku. You guys make no sense.

Characters from DB are more powerful then any human alive.

Someone like Hancock would defeat DB characters.

[Jonoridge]

theres no actuall proof it was suppresed though mostly its sure he was holding back cuz we know he was fighting roshi in the tournement(when roshi was jecky chan XD)
and lost to him after a really bad fight he turned monkey he fought roshi and got beaten thats how it was so mostly this is a little proof it was suppresed

yeah but by then he had trained under Master Roshi with Krillin remember so he could of doubled his power level since the start of the series..

SS4Aaron makes a good point Goku does go through 4 stone structures or whatever which lets face it regular humans wouldn't survive that...

[SSJ4Aaron]

And we see Goku and Krillen concentrating there powers in the water. Which shows they can supress it. Which is right at the start of there training.

[Tien]

I'll have a decent power level soon, I'm working on it.

[Priincevegeta]

I'll have a decent power level soon, I'm working on it.

Will Look Forward to seeing the results :D

[Delquea Angelo]

Many humans alive can push their limits beyond a point to where they are officially considered inhuman or other nicknames.

Example is Iceman *NICKNAME* I forgot his REAL name but due to serious training he can actually adjust his body temperature on his own will to where he can even trod around naked when its below 0 and not feel a thing

Other people can push themselves as well.

Many kids only as young as 14 can lift 3 times their weight.

Heard of Little Hercules?
The little 5 year old with bulging muscles? *currently he's 17 or 18*
He is one of them

I can even push beyond my limit. example would be my unnatural strenght from being excited.

[Priincevegeta]

I understand what your saying :D

But being strong does not neccesarily make them in-human :D

In the end it has to be some significant thing that no other humans can accomplish :D

[Delquea Angelo]

It depends on how strong a person is to make them in-human

[Priincevegeta]

Like Who :D ?

[Tien]

wow if thats that than i say around goku's strength when he left the house fits bruce lee
and mostly bruce lee is a master of martial arts for that he must be pretty much 60 or 65

Goku could lift a car at around that time. I dont think Bruce Lee could do that.

Bruce Lee was probably alot faster than Goku before he got trained by Master Roshi, though.

[Priincevegeta]

Yeah i agree that he was faster than Goku At the time :)

And agree that he wouldnt be able to lift a car :)

[Lash]

Yeah bruce certainly isn't stronger then goku.

Speed however...Goku was running 100 meters in 8.5 seconds. The fastest man ever, nevermind bruce could never dream of doing such a feat. If Goku's running time is that fast...faster then bruce's...imagine Goku's reaction/fighting speed while being a full time martial artist himself. Imagine how fast those muscles could move. Bruce is damn good...but I think Bruce would be thoroughly outclassed by beginning of dragonball Goku even in the speed department.

[not_ya_wify]

I think it is kinda pointless to discuss it talking about Goku's early years because back then Dragonball was simply a gag manga and Toriyama didn't introduce no such thing as Powerlevels back then.

Goku getting hit in the head hurt him, because it was funnier that way. Goku being crushed through rocks didn't hurt him, because it was funnier and to demonstrate his power. Nothing in Dragonball is really accurate. Just think that Vegeta with a powerlevel of 18.000 could destroy a whole planet with 2 fingers but at the end of Dragonball a huge energy blast by him only makes a small canyon.

I doubt you could really compare it to humans by talking about wether they get hurt in the manga or not.

But anywayz -

1.Goku got shot in the head. If anyone got shot in the head, they'd be dead. If they're not dead, then it's not because the bullets bounce off of their skin but because the bullet didn't hit a critical part of your anatomy.

2. Goku was in pain after getting hit with a bat but Bruce Lee probably uses the same trick as monks use when they do the smash-a-stick-on-the-head-trick. It depends on what part of the bat hits your head. If someone gets hit in the head with the end of a bat, their head would explode like a watermelon, ever since human skulls and watermelons are pretty similar. Even Bruce Lee.

3. I wouldn't believe Bruce Lee did all of that stuff because a lot of it are urban legends or film tricks and all the other stuff can easily be done by chinese monks too. And Goku was defenitely stronger than the monks. Even at the very beginning.

I would think that the people, that were fighting in the tournaments were all about 100, ever since Roshii had about 130. So I would say Bruce Lee would defenitely not be higher than 50. I'd guess he'd be about a 30.

[Priincevegeta]

Well On the Speed Subject, the Fastest Known Speed For 100 Meters in 9.8 Seconds Set by The Legendary Usain Bolt.

I Really can not believe your trying to say Bruce lee would be stronger than goku!

Do you Think Bruce Lee Could Defeat Vegeta?
No, Thankyou very Much :)

[not_ya_wify]

lol I don't think he would say he's stronger than Vegeta. It just seems to me like he's a big Bruce Lee fan and kinda glorifies him.

Bruce Lee is cool, but if Goku was real, he couldn't stand a chance

[Priincevegeta]

Exactly, Bruce Lee Would not be able to damage Goku in the Slightest :)

[Tien]

Yeah bruce certainly isn't stronger then goku.

Speed however...Goku was running 100 meters in 8.5 seconds. The fastest man ever, nevermind bruce could never dream of doing such a feat. If Goku's running time is that fast...faster then bruce's...imagine Goku's reaction/fighting speed while being a full time martial artist himself. Imagine how fast those muscles could move. Bruce is damn good...but I think Bruce would be thoroughly outclassed by beginning of dragonball Goku even in the speed department.

Bruce Lee cant run faster than Goku but he would be able to punch and block and dodge faster.
Bruce Lee was probably about a quater as strong as Goku though.

[Priincevegeta]

It all Depends on what age Goku was that you are Suggesting Bruce lee was 1/4 Of His Strength.

Do You Mean

Kid Goku (Beginning Of DB)?

[Tien]

It all Depends on what age Goku was that you are Suggesting Bruce lee was 1/4 Of His Strength.

Do You Mean

Kid Goku (Beginning Of DB)?

Yes, right at the begining of dragonball, before Master Roshi trained him.

[Priincevegeta]

I Agree With you then :)

[Lash]

Bruce Lee cant run faster than Goku but he would be able to punch and block and dodge faster.
Bruce Lee was probably about a quater as strong as Goku though.

What makes you think that?

If goku's muscles are faster/ stronger in the leg area...and bruce and goku both do martial arts(as in goku isn't solely a runner like Usain Bolt), what's stopping the comparison about them in reaction and punch speed? Goku most likely should be faster there too.

[Tien]

What makes you think that?

If goku's muscles are faster/ stronger in the leg area...and bruce and goku both do martial arts(as in goku isn't solely a runner like Usain Bolt), what's stopping the comparison about them in reaction and punch speed? Goku most likely should be faster there too.

Goku seemed to be all strength and no speed at around that time.

[Priincevegeta]

I Think Around 1/4 Of Goku's Strength is Accurate, But the Speed is Closer.

[Lash]

Goku seemed to be all strength and no speed at around that time.

He never got the chance to demonstrate speed, but that doesn't mean he didn't have any.

[Priincevegeta]

Goku Definitely Had Speed, Otherwise his opponents would stomp him :)

[krillin]

bruce lee at his peak had a advantage in skill and technique as well as experiance compared to goku at start of DB that could have a effect

[Priincevegeta]

As Previously Discussed, No human without Ki Controll would be able to Challenge Any Z Fighter, Let alone a Saiyan.

[krillin]

goku at start of DB did not have that much ki training at that point

[Lash]

Not to the degree of Roshi's, but he had to have had a decent amount of Ki training by Gohan.

Which is why he was able to fire a mini kamehameha his first try, just by watching it.

It didn't take krillin(who obviously had no ki control prior to roshi's training) until after the 21st tournament to be able to do it.

[krillin]

goku had training in a way from leaving his house to when he first met roshi plus he is a saiyan and saiyans pick up ki skills fast bruce lee also trained his ki to a degree i suspect as well he trained in every other way anyway to become as powerful overall as he was:)

[Priincevegeta]

Well i Believe that Bruce lee wouldnt have been able to hurt goku even if he had Ki Training :)

[krillin]

bruce lee would not win but he would last some time and land some hits i think:)

[tupac115]

I have to agree with Priince,taking nothing away from the Master of Martial arts that is Bruce Lee but Bruce Lee is not even remotely close to a Goku.
No human with any amount of training can beat a saiyan..in the series Satan is the strongest "human" and i would believe than even Satan would be more than a match for Bruce.Bruce Lee is strong and fast but by pure punch power he would lose to heavyweights like Joe Frazier or Mike tyson.

[krillin]

i think the 2 most powerful famous humans at their prime are bruce lee and chuck norris they both were tough in their prime there are others stronger in some ways though ie jackie chan in speed and i think bruce could land some hits and it would not be a one hit ko they both beat hercule by outsmarting him hercule has a lot of weaknesses to and besides you have to hit the foe to beat them power alone is not enough:)

[tupac115]

Unfortunately,since we let in a world bound by physics,Both Chuck Norris and Bruce lee is quite small build so in pure power they cant match power with people like Tyson who outweight them by 90 pounds at least.Speed is good and all but even can the fastest man on earth Usain bolt last one round in a ring with a boxer?I doubt that.Speed is advantageous in a fight no doubt,but you cant round aroun the ring all day,you still need power to translate to damage.:D

Am i still on topic here?:p Okay to sum what i am trying to say is that no human in our world[reality] can match even a human in a fictional world like DBZ.Let alone one that is of the "strongest species in the universe" that is a saiyan.:D

[krillin]

how about a human from db then during the early days and mr satan is beatable:)

[not_ya_wify]

goku had training in a way from leaving his house to when he first met roshi plus he is a saiyan and saiyans pick up ki skills fast bruce lee also trained his ki to a degree i suspect as well he trained in every other way anyway to become as powerful overall as he was:)

Bruce lee might have had ki Training but not to a degree where he could shoot energy balls. I highly doubt that's possible in reality...

there are others stronger in some ways though ie jackie chan in speed

Jackie Chan is not even a real fighter. All the fighting he knows, he learned in stunt man school and he's not even that fast compared to Jet Li for example who is a real fighter and sometimes needs to be slowed down for movies.

I have to agree with Priince,taking nothing away from the Master of Martial arts that is Bruce Lee but Bruce Lee is not even remotely close to a Goku.
No human with any amount of training can beat a saiyan..in the series Satan is the strongest "human" and i would believe than even Satan would be more than a match for Bruce.Bruce Lee is strong and fast but by pure punch power he would lose to heavyweights like Joe Frazier or Mike tyson.

I highly doubt that Satan would stand a chance against Bruce Lee. They say Satan is the strongest human on earth because he "beat Cell". In the manga it is unclear whether there was another tournament in between the Cell Games and the tournament 7 years later. There are dialogues that suggest he won another tournament and dialogues that suggest there were no other tournaments.
And even if he did win another tournament doesn't mean he is the strongest.

-You don't see anymore "real fighters" (like Nam or Jakie Chun for example) in the tournaments in Z. Most of them are big mouths or just huge muscleballs.

-Satan only fights the winner. That means he has an advantage because the winner could be tired from the fights before.

-It could also be that a stronger fighter would lose against him because he is so intimidated by Satan

[tupac115]

I highly doubt that Satan would stand a chance against Bruce Lee. They say Satan is the strongest human on earth because he "beat Cell". In the manga it is unclear whether there was another tournament in between the Cell Games and the tournament 7 years later. There are dialogues that suggest he won another tournament and dialogues that suggest there were no other tournaments.
And even if he did win another tournament doesn't mean he is the strongest.

-You don't see anymore "real fighters" (like Nam or Jakie Chun for example) in the tournaments in Z. Most of them are big mouths or just huge muscleballs.

-Satan only fights the winner. That means he has an advantage because the winner could be tired from the fights before.

-It could also be that a stronger fighter would lose against him because he is so intimidated by Satan

Its debateable if he is the strongest human,i should have put my inverted commas because i meant to say "strongest human" However Satan did clock in the strongest punch outta all the fighters at the tournament[excluding Z fighters of course] He has power for a human if not anything else.Plus he took a slap from cell and hits from Kid Buu so Satan has durability if nothing else.I dunno if Bruce Lee can hit as hard as Cell or Kidd Buu.:p

[Tien]

I think shaolin monks are even more powerfull than Bruce lee is. They would probably have an even higher power level. They even had good ki control.

Balancing on two fingers
http://www.google.co.uk/url?q=http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx%3Fitemnum%3D15580&sa=X&ei=C4pKTPbhNImL4Qbr67WaDA&ved=0CFQQuAIwCA&usg=AFQjCNEPXesSZJE9vLc3Hbn8vTX4gIE1bQ

Breaking a spear with the neck(dont try this at home)
http://www.ehow.co.uk/video_2287074_break-spear-throat-shaolin-kung.html

Breaking metal with head
http://www.ehow.co.uk/video_2287076_break-metal-head-shaolin-kung.html

[Shanks]

Bruce Lee and Chock Norris are exmple of strong people but i would put Mariusz Pudzianowski as a front runner for having a strong powerlevels.5 time worlds strongest Man title holder.

[Priincevegeta]

People always Consider Chuck Norris To be "unbeatable" when the fact is he has been beaten a few times before.

Bruce lee however is considered strong, but as Tupac said, when up against a heavyweight he wont stand much of a chance.

Basically, without ANY Ki Controll Training a Human could not touch a Z Fighter.
As i have already stated.

And Even with Ki control there is only so much you can train, Krillin,Tien,Yamcha Came to terms that Goku Was ALOT stronger than them and i think that lost them the will to train any longer.

[Tien]

People always Consider Chuck Norris To be "unbeatable" when the fact is he has been beaten a few times before.

Bruce lee however is considered strong, but as Tupac said, when up against a heavyweight he wont stand much of a chance.



Bruce Lee would easily be able to defeat a heavyweight in a fight. While they may be stronger than him, bruce lee knows how to use his strength, and he doesn't have any bulky muscles slowing him down. Thats the whole reason Bruce Lee works on his speed too. Bruce Lee makes a point that if you work on your strength it is importaint to work on your spped and flexibility too, because with these three things combiened you will be a realy powerfull fighter.

Its not all about strength; if it was, that would have been all Bruce worked on.

Bruce Lee probably wouldn't have been able to defeat Hercule, though. Hercule may be alot weaker than the Z Fighters, but he is stronger than any human alive today by a large margin, and a very skilled fighter too.

I think shaolin monks would have an even higher power level, though.

[Priincevegeta]

As has been discussed in another thread, yes Hercule is the strongest Human without any Ki controll Training

[not_ya_wify]

I think shaolin monks are even more powerfull than Bruce lee is. They would probably have an even higher power level. They even had good ki control.

Balancing on two fingers
http://www.google.co.uk/url?q=http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx%3Fitemnum%3D15580&sa=X&ei=C4pKTPbhNImL4Qbr67WaDA&ved=0CFQQuAIwCA&usg=AFQjCNEPXesSZJE9vLc3Hbn8vTX4gIE1bQ

Breaking a spear with the neck(dont try this at home)
http://www.ehow.co.uk/video_2287074_break-spear-throat-shaolin-kung.html

Breaking metal with head
http://www.ehow.co.uk/video_2287076_break-metal-head-shaolin-kung.html

Well, those things are tricks that modern fake shaolin monks learn to impress people and make money. I personally believe there used to be real monks who could do things normal humans can't but today's shaolin monks don't even live in monastries anymore and I doubt this ancient knowledge is given to kids who perform commercial shows.

I remember seeing an episode of galileo where they explained how the trick with the spear on the throat and the trck with the wooden bat on the head works. Unfortunately I couldn't find anything in English for this but I found a site that explains the spear trick in German. You might wanna use google translate

http://www.karatedo2000.de/grundw/mythos/index.htm

[Priincevegeta]

Well i certainly dont Envy the person Who translates :D

[not_ya_wify]

Google translate is automatic. That's why it often sounds kinda odd. Here I put the link into google translate

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.karatedo2000.de%2Fgru ndw%2Fmythos%2Findex.htm&sl=auto&tl=en

[Priincevegeta]

Or You could just Translate it for us? :)

If your at a loose end :D

[not_ya_wify]

that's a long text. I could try and sum it up in a nutshell but it wouldn't be as accurate and coming from me and not a source

[Priincevegeta]

Well You can try your best :)

[not_ya_wify]

Breaking a spear with your neck -

You put the spear right above a very sturdy bone - the sternum.

http://www.karatedo2000.de/grundw/mythos/speer1.jpg
(Knochen = bone, Speerspitze = tip of the spear)

Now you can bend the spear DOWN against your sternum. Monks never bend it up because then it would pierce their larynx.
Ever since it is dangerous to try with a real spear, you can try this with a wooden stick. It would have the same effect.

http://www.karatedo2000.de/grundw/mythos/speer2.gif



Breaking a stone on someone laying on a bed of nails -

You take a frangible stone like Granite. If the stone is not frangible it is too hard to break it in two pieces and therefore you would probably do the same with the person lying under it. Never do this with wood because it is too elastic.
The stone should neither be too heavy nor too light.
The stone should be long in length and width but not in thickness because then the stone is easier to split and the weight of the stone is equally spread on the body and not concentrated in one point.
The bed of nails is not very dangerous as long as the nails are close to each other.
The hammer should neither be too heavy nor too big and the person using the hammer shouldn't hit too hard. He should hit it with control.


How to move someone through Chi -

Ask the volunteer to stand in front of you and close his eyes.
Wave your hands around as if you're concentrating chi.
The volunteer's upper body half will start moving and afterwards he will tell the audience that he could feel the chi flowing through his body.

There is nothing mystical about this. When we're standing still and close our eyes, we will automatically start moving around because our balance organ is going crazy. The volunteer will believe he felt the chi because he wants to believe it.

[Tien]

A single shaolin monk master could probably take on 4 people with a simmiler fighting level to bruce lee, but goku could take on a shaolin monk easily.
So I think shaolin monks would have a high power level, but lower than Gokus, and Bruce Lee would have an even lower power level, but still much higher than an average Human.

[Priincevegeta]

Its Basically Between Shaolin Monk's and Bruce Lee.

[orangeyoshi]

goku took a bullet to the head on the first episode of dragonball. bulma shot him and the bullet bounced off. it still hurt though

[Priincevegeta]

Yeah which makes the claim that if either bruce lee or a shaolin monk were shot in the head, Chances are, they would die :)

[Tien]

So Bruce Lee and shaolin monks would have lower power levels than Goku at the start of dragonball. But what fraction?

[Priincevegeta]

Well what do we say Goku's Power level is as a Kid First?

[ricky c]

me haz a high pl :cool:

[Priincevegeta]

Im Sure not as high as Bruce Lee's ;)

[ricky c]

Im Sure not as high as Bruce Lee's ;)

i could take on lee me iz well strong :thumbs:
i cuold take on a shoilin to
i iz a wite belt in karate :cool:

[Priincevegeta]

Haha, that i would like to See ;)

[ricky c]

Haha, that i would like to See ;)

its tru me is well good i could teke dem on
i iz a white belt for tru :cool:

[Priincevegeta]

I Believe you seeing as though "White belt" is the First Belt For Karate ;)

[not_ya_wify]

its tru me is well good i could teke dem on
i iz a white belt for tru :cool:

are you a kitten?

[Priincevegeta]

He said he can defeat Bruce lee :hehee: